Barbet Preservation Group

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The FB group dedicated to all people (owners, breeders) that wants to help and learn about population genetics of our breed, which is rapidly loosing its already low diveristy facing the inevitable and sad future if current trends will continue. In 2012 dr. Leroy counted the Ne (effective population size) of barbet as of 27. While populations with effective population size below 50 are at immediate risk of extinction.  Barbet is already halfway through its way to disappear. If You are just passing by to earn some money and walk away from breeding, this group is not for You, if You think that everything is fine the group is not for You, if You want to impose further restrictions in breeding the group is not for You, if You think You know all or You don’t have to learn the group is not for You. All others ale welcome. Do something for the breed that You love, it won’t heal itself. Barbet Preservation Group  

ULYSSE – how to /try/ to ban a dog that You don’t like.

This is ULYSSE photographed in 2012 in Chatel Guyon. ULYSSE itself is a quite phenomenon in Barbet population, his pedigree doesn’t contain any mixes and breeds crossed with Barbet. Just six founders are present in his pedigree (ISLAM, S’GANDAR, PHEBEE, R’LUCKY, NOE and M’DIOUNE). Apart his amazing look, structure and condition, his genes are treasures for small in numbers and struggling with low diversity breed. Quite normally this dog sired his first litter in 2006 in age of three, as the result 12 pups were born all sound and healthy. The problem that on one anticipated was that the was born is Switzerland, where one breeder holds almost infinite power over Barbetiers souls. Decision was quick, pups are “not good enough”, most of them will not be allowed to breed in future, why? “not curly enough”. So it was first blow to ULYSSE, very soon the second one come. In 2007 ULYSSE was officially banned from breeding he was just not good enough in the eye of expert, he was doomed not to have any more litters. It took great struggle (with complaints from Swiss Club again) to allow him to breed again. History made a big circle, in 2012 ULYSSE was presented at the symposium before eyes of French Club Committee and two guests – prof. Triquet and prof. Denis. Verdict was as quick as once was a decision made by Swiss, ULYSSE is a perfect dog. Obviously someone in that circumstances made a wrong evaluation. Either Swiss expert was right or prof. Triquet & Denis were right, and someone have problems with identifying how Barbet should look like. If You ask me I would say that a french professor who is in charge of standards has rather solid background. We want to keep ULYSSE story alive, as the same expert attempts to wipe out the memory of what was done to ULYSSE and the breed, it is not good for PR, isn’t it?  Solution is to say sorry and apologize, not to hunt down everyone who remembers about ULYSSE do not call Facebook admins for help. If You had done it officially to all of us stick to this, do not pretend how much You care about the breed.

Standard modification: anonymous alain’s view of how things should be

Yesterday we have received a info about projected modification of standard. There are several points that are going to be discussed (or rather they have been discussed already). The are some  things that hits Your eyes when You read the parts that are going to be modified. First one is height of the dogs (for those who don’t remember male:58-65, females: 53-61) , it is a common knowledge that between the actual standard and the actual height of dogs around there is a huge gap. Mediana height of males (155 males are included, heights were taken from club sites and sent by owners and includes almost 110 active studs)  is 58 cm, while females’ (96 counted) is 53 cm.  Of course when You compare the results with Gaussian distribution it is easy to see that there is a pattern that suggests that f.e. many males with 57 cm were given additional centimeter to made them fit to the standard. In normal situation, logically thinking person would postulate lowering (especially when Barbet struggles with diversity due to small numbers) the height limits by such numbers that actual average height of the dog would be precisely in the middle of projected values, to cover as wide population of dogs as possible. Idea would be to lower the height exactly by three or four (even better) centimeters (with current heights,  average male should be 61,5 cm , in fact average male is 58 cm , 3,5 cm is the difference )  giving us such values : male 54- 61 and females 49-57 This is what You would expect from normal reasoning. The problems starts when expert doesn’t really care about the breed, and holds in deep regard all the dogs that doesn’t fit his idea. Forced to change the height, he/she/them changes only maximums…..without touching the minimums. The projected heights are: for males 58-61, females 53-56. Bravo, in momentum when the breed is running in low numbers, make the requirements for the dogs harder and narrow the population of breeding dogs, what a big mind you must have to come to this idea !!! The things gets really idiotic…when our long coated breed gets a limit of length of the coat….Yes You’ve read correctly, it is not a joke expert wants  Barbet – the breed recognized for its long coat (it is said six times in the standard) to have in projected modification a maximum(sic!) length of coat 10 cm. Probably Barbet will became a phenomenon in dog’s world, as the only long coated breed to have  set length of coat. Basically it means that our dogs will have to be regularly shaved or trimmed to keep their coats below 10 cm . If 10 cm is a long coat, so 9  or 8 is too… where too short starts? Below 1cm? Expert doesn’t care or say. Exper of course holds in big regard the cynological culutre of breed’s domestic country.  Professeur Guy QUEINNEC (Docteur Vétérinaire, Professeur de Zootechnie à l’Ecole Vétérinaire de Toulouse ) in his book “Connaissance du chien”, writes that long coat means nothing else but lenhts between 10 and 15 cm, and as an example of such coat professour gives….Barbet. Usually when I get such idiotic and pathetic (there is no other idea behind this other than eliminating blood again) thing into my hands, I’ve unstoppable need to get the source. Well this time it was impossible and the only thing I was able to find is the first name or nickname of the author, left in properties of the file. Any idea who that might be? First name is not enough to say. Standard is going to be changed in 2016. Three years  You say is a lot…..well it is 2013 now, and modification is not yet official subject….but our mysterious alain already made the project and shared it with others. Do you really think You have three years? Cui Bono, search for males between 58-61cm, with short (yep, use Your common sense -below 10cm coat is short) coat (extremely frizzy one that will never grow more). There are not many alains in our breed, few of them happen (of course by pure accident) to own the males that idealy fits the projected narow margin of acceptable sizes. PS. Fortunately the new Comitee of the French Barbet Club will not support this modification.

Trembling story by Eva Olsson

“I have finally, after almost three years, seen a dream come through. 20th May 2012 he arrived to our family. A Barbet – black with white signs and  the most gorgeous male puppy of nine weeks. We had a great puppytime – as for most puppyowner,  shoes in pieces, stolen food, chewed magazines,  pee on the best carpet…and the most adorable and innocent look of a puppy so full of life. We went to puppycourse to start his training and ex-hibitions to socialize with other barbet people and just for fun since he is so young but most of all we just enjoyed each others company. He is healthy, most handsome, tousled and lively our Barbet… Koi.” Story starts nice and happy but it is only a begining read more here and visit Koi’s site .

International Barbet Symposium

A bit of a summary from the symposium : – Confirm everything. There are too few to select. (Pr Triquet) – Eugène Gayot said in 1865: The Barbet is a dog with a long coat, a beard and loves water. – Un chien à gros poil (since the 17th cent. Pr Triquet) That does not mean each strand is thick. – Genetic diversity is being lost (Popular sire syndrome). – The poodle has very much affected the breed. – Do not forbid the use of healthy carriers. – The morphological type is of a Griffon (Pr Denis) – There is no reason to remove colors that were in the breed in the past. – A woolly coat is only undercoat. – The shiny coat is real hair. – An over-groomed (show) Barbet as seen in several countries (too brushed) is a hypertype.( R Rault) – For the well-being of the dog, he/she should be able to see (hair over the eyes). – Working on the epilepsy problem by using true pedigrees ( vs official) will get faster results. Epilepsy is caused by many genes, so far two types were described – juvenile and other starting at around age of seven. – If you want dogs that looks like Poodles, buy a Poodle (Pr Triquet) At some moment we had two dogs standing before the public, the main reason was to hear Pr Triquet and Pr Denis opinion on their coats. One dog was probably Arkann (unfortunately I didn’t take a photo during NE) and the second one was Funny Girl – on the photo (R Rault said about strands visible in the coat). Both dogs were described as as corresponding to the standard, and it is an opinion of an individual which type of coat he prefers, although one has to remember that Barbet is a hunting breed and its coat has to be easy to maintain and keep clear. Then Ulysse di Barbochos de Reiau de Prouvenco (so eagerly hunted by some people to stop him from reproducing) was brought in. In opinion of R Rault his coat iswooly and curly, and he is also a typical Barbet. Here is nice view of his hair . At the end we had a presentation of genetic variability in the breed done by dr Leroy. It was based on the database which was presented here just few posts before. The information on the database was compiled from information from breed clubs and individual breeders around the world, also information given by the representative of the Barbet at the club, F Loiseau on her personal website was taken into account. The main thesis were : – effective population size is 32 and has risen slightly over last years (below 50 a breed is considered to threatened with extinction)  – all available dogs have to be used, overusing studs (if average female can have three litters, the same should be with male – note), or lines (ex. two studs from the same litter) will shortly destroy the genetic variability achieved by crossbreeding in the past  – it may be a question of today for breeders with what breed the next crossbreeding should be done – it shouldn’t be done with the breeds that already contributed to Barbet Here are some photos form the National Elevage that took place on the same day – Chatel Guyon Our deepest Thanks to all people that participated in that event.